my vet wants me to get a prescription at the drug store for zithromax for my cat, will this be covered under.. ok my cat has feline luekemia, my vetrinarian gave me a prescription and told me to get it filled at the local drug store for humans... will zithromax be covered under my insurance plan? or no??? i saw the price of it without insurance for the liquid is $2500.00!!! how to do this?
kc replied: "Yes."
EllE replied: "Only if the prescription is written for yourself. Shop around and see if there's a generic."
Red_F replied: "Try Walmart. They sell a lot of drugs now under the 4 dollar plan. I got my dog some meds that were 200 bucks for 4 bucks at walmart.
It really shows how much the stores and the mfg's. are screwing the public.
Your insurance plan will not cover your pets meds unless you get a doctor to write it up under your name and they won't do it because if they get caught, they go to jail and lose their license.
I just checked Wal-mart and they do sell - Azithromycin, the generic version of Zithromax, an antibiotic, for $4 for a commonly prescribed dosage."
Everyone's Friend replied: "Generally health/prescription insurance companies will not cover medication that is for anyone or anything other than those on your plan. Since health insurance companies do not cover cats as dependents, I would have to say no. Unless, the vet wrote it under your name, which is insurance fraud.
Good Luck, sorry to hear about your kitty."
Essie replied: "I am giving zithromax to my cat for a sinus infection - it is an antibiotic, not a cure for feline lukemia. Antibiotics cure bacterial infections and lukemia is a cancer that is caused by a virus, so an antibiotic won't cure it. Your cat may have a secondary bacterial infection of some kind that the vet is treating with it. My health insurance doesn't cover it, but I did get some limited prescription coverage from Walgreens. You pay $20 for the 1sr family member (pets included) and $15 for each additional member. The generic version cost me about $35 and the price with the Rx coverage was about $25. The generic is called azythromicin and I got the liquid form. Good luck."
surfsander replied: "No, this will not be covered under your health insurance. Call your vet and ask them to write a prescription for a different antibiotic. Zithromax is a superantibiotic, it delivers a dose that is way over the normal requirements to be effective. It is meant to deal with bacteria that is resistant to the average dose of antibiotics. You will be doing your pet a favor by getting a normal dose to treat whatever the ailment is. For humans as well, when you use antibiotics you are treating a problem that your immune system will fight off naturally, sometimes the body needs help fighting it off, sometimes it doesn't. When you use excessive doses that aren't needed, it tricks your body into thinking it doesn't need to produce as many natural antibiotics as it normally would, and therefor you will become more susceptible to infections in the future. I'm not saying that you should never take antibiotics, or even superantibiotics, what I'm saying is be selective in your choice to do so. The body, and your cat's as well, can fight off most infections in time if you let it, if you have a common cold, rest and let your body do what it was designed to do, if a cold persists for more than a week to ten days, then go to the doctor and get a prescription. If this is a preventative treatment, such as after a surgery, then you don't need a superantibiotic, however, if this is a repetative treatment (as in the first treatment didn't work) then a superantibiotic may be needed. To sum up this extensive answer, ask the vet to write a different prescription due to the cost of the one written, most will give you a new one, if they refuse to due so, ask, as politely as possible, their reasoning behind their decision. If you feel their explanation is inadequate you may want to find a new vet. Remember that the outragous cost of that drug is covering not only production, r&d, and profit, it also covers their marketing costs as well, which means they spend money to ensure that the drug is prescribed by doctors and vets. I hope that this helped you."
Kayty replied: "I am not aware that Zithromax (trade name for azithromycin) has any effect on feline leukemia. Sometimes Interferon helps, but it is only buying time. Feline leukemia is a progressive, almost 100% fatal disease that usually runs its course in a few months.
Azithromycin is not an expensive drug. Where I work we prescribe it for Bartonella infection. A two-week supply of the liquid form is about $40.00."
Elaine M replied: "I'd also suggest signing up on some of the feline leukemia boards over at yahoogroups, to compare prices and meds with other owners who have cats with this condition. They can give you some help."
bob s replied: "if you can not find help anywhere else you can look into buying generic zithromax from Europe (see site below) and crushing it and making your own drops, lots of work but better then $2,500
good luck"
what would be the correct dose of zithromax for an 8lb cat? My cat and my moms cat have the same illness (yes im positive, dont feel like going into details) her cat weighs more though and i do not want to give my cat too much but i also dont have $400 to take my cat to the vet. please help.
it has already been prescribed to my moms cat and my cat has the same problem
You'reNotAliveUnlessYou' replied: "just call the the vet, no money needed"
Tulip replied: "Don't give HUMAN medication to a cat,YOU'LL kill it! Don't guess as cats are extremely sensitive to human medication and drugs and just because You think it the same illness as mum , doesn't neccessarily mean the medication used for cats is the same and even those you think it the same illness MANY illness exsibit similar symptoms. If you dare even tried to use the medication on the cat, YOU END up with a dead cat on your hands or a seriously ill cat that cost you more then $400 then a simple vet exam.
Animal poisoning by drugs is by far the most common type of small animal poison exposure, accounting for 75% of 1990 toxin exposures as reported by the AAPCC and 82 of 425 fatalities. Dogs and, less frequently, cats, can be poisoned by human or veterinary drugs as a result of accidental ingestion or overdose just like children can; it is worth emphasizing that all medications should be placed out of reach of inquisitive noses which are too often attached to undiscriminating mouths!
This section focuses on those medications which are too frequently given by well-intentioned owners for the purpose of relieving discomfort experienced by the animal and which instead can cause a much more serious problem for the pet. Human over-the-counter pain relievers are occasionally used in veterinary medicine for pain relief but they should only be given upon specific advice and direction of a veterinarian. Pain relievers, or analgesics, are not designed for use by cats and dogs and a minimal human dose can poison a pet. Cats and dogs do not utilize and tolerate drugs in the same way people do and human drugs should NEVER be assumed to be safe for animals.
Acetaminophen (Tylenoltm) -XXX Top
XXX - Emergency! XX - Highly Dangerous X - Dangerous
Tylenol is, of course, a human over-the-counter analgesic medicine used to relieve pain. In people, after the pills are taken, the ingredients are broken down in the body by enzymes in the liver. In people, Tylenol is generally a safe and useful painkiller. Cats, however, have less of the enzyme required to detoxify the drug following ingestion. As a result, there are many dangerous metabolites, or break-down products of acetaminophen that bind to red blood cells and other tissue cells, resulting in the destruction of these cells. There may also be direct damage to tissue cells from the painkiller. As little as one regular strength tablet (325 mg) can poison a cat to the degree that it can develop noticeable clinical signs of illness. Two extra-strength tablets are likely to kill a cat. Dogs (particularly small dogs) are also susceptible to significant tissue damage from as little as two regular strength Tylenol and repeated doses increase the risk significantly. Signs develop quickly and can include salivation, vomiting, weakness and abdominal pain.
Due to the significant toxicity to pets in relatively minimal dosages, the recommendation is clear - Tylenol should not be given to dogs or cats. Other, safer, drugs are available for pain relief; talk to your veterinarian about your own pet's specific needs.
NSAIDs: Aspirin, Ibuprofen, Phenylbutazone, Naproxen - X Top
XXX - Emergency! XX - Highly Dangerous X - Dangerous
The pain relievers discussed here are known as NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) and are widely prescribed with caution by veterinarians to relieve pain from arthritis and other conditions. Animal dosages, however, are much lower than human dosages. Use of NSAIDs can significantly increase the risk for development of stomach or intestinal ulcers, particularly in a sick patient, or one receiving other medications. These pain relievers cause signs of poisoning by decreasing the mucous production in the stomach. Mucous serves to protect the stomach from the acids it secretes and reduction in mucous production decreases the protection the stomach has from acid secretion and increases the likelihood of ulcer formation. In addition these drugs indirectly decrease the blood flow to vital organs, particularly the kidney, and can result in significant kidney damage. Two regular strength aspirin in a small dog can cause clinical signs of poisoning. As with Tylenol, cats are more sensitive to these drugs and should never be given these medications unless under the specific direction of a veterinarian.
Again, these drugs can be safely used and, in fact, are employed in veterinary practice every day in appropriate doses and after careful medical evaluation of the patient. The important point is to recognize that dogs and cats do not respond in the same way to human medications that people do. Any medications need to be discussed with and prescribed by a veterinarian prior to giving them to your pet to avoid an inadvertent and tragic poisoning."
BunnuvaSitch replied: "Yes, it was prescribed to your MOM's cat, not yours. Your MOM's cat needs to take ALL of her antibiotics in order to stop whatever infection she has. A phone call to your veterinarian will not cost you a dime, and is much safer and more reliable than depending on a bunch of strangers on the internet."
Bob N replied: "Come on!!!
It will not cost $400 to take your cat to the vet for a basic exam. Basic office visits run around $35 to $55. Why in **** do you think that it will cost $400?
We have had 26 cats over the past 22 years and the only time a bill was over even $250 was if surgery was involved.
It will not cost you $400 to take your cat in for an exam. If you are really worried about the cost, tell the vet, right up front, that you will have to approve anything they want to do, which will increase the bill, before they do it.
I do not understand why people think it will cost hundreds of dollars to just take a cat to the vet. It is illogical and has no basis in fact!
Since you won't tell us what the illness is and why you are positive that it is the same as your mother's cat has, we can't give you any advise about it.
However, I am inclined to not believe that it is the same given that you are not a vet and thus not trained to take into consideration all possible aspects of a medical problem. It is not uncommon to mistake one illness for a slightly different illness - and the two may require different treatments.
You would be foolish to give your cat a medication without having a vet confirm it is the same illness and that you cat is able to be given the same medication.
Even if it is the same illness, it is not a good idea to medicate your cat on your own without even some advise from a vet."
Stephanie replied: "Zithromax is a COMPOUNDED medication for cats. Which means that it is SPECIFICALLY COMPOUNDED for your mother's cat. Take your cat to the vet."
zithromax? my cat has an upper respitary infection and my vet prescribed zithromax, She said to give it once a day but the bottle says once every other day. I am going to call in the am, I didnt notice what the bottle said until I got home, but I was just wandering if anyone else had this prescribed and when did you give it to your feline.?
thank you in advance! :)
xsavannahromancex replied: "I had this prescribed to myself."
beauty replied: "my cat is 6 and has had upper respiratory for 4 1/2 years when it acts up my vet gives him pretnizone and i give it to him every other day and i think the other pill was therizonal (i forgot it is something like that) and i give that to him every day untill it clears up"
Patty O replied: "I have not given this medicine, but most medicine are given at least once daily.
Here is an information sheet on this medicine. It says the dose usually prescribed is every 12 to 24 hours.
The best thing is to check with your vet just to be sure how to give this medicine. Hope kitty is feeling better soon.
Purrs to you and kitty."
A "real' question. really...What could I be sick with , that is also affecting my cats? it started out as me,sickly. respiratory stuff. I thought it was the cronic...
but it got worse. Much worse , on that rainy tuesday.
one my kittens got sickly ..snuffly ..sneezy on Saturday, and by
Monday it had spead in varying degrees to all my kittens (5) . I brought the Original sickly one in to the vet and he sez "cold" or resp infection, and gave me Zithromax (Cherry flavored -WTF?-but that's besides the point.)to give to them. that was a couple days ago , and there is still no improvement. they are congested and you can hear the fluid in there , even tho the vet says the lungs are clear.
starting last night my older cats began comong down with it. and by this morning , my poor thomas ia Wheezy/snuffling as bad as the kittens do.
Could it be Mold. we were drying birdhouse gourds inside.
I put them out in the shed, and i hope that's it, but i'm still worried.
we also had brought in a hollow stump for he kitts to play in? it had dead poison ivy on it...
... and we pulled it off, but do you suppose that the ivy 'dust' could be getting into our systems, somehow.
I got rid of the stump already, too.
does anyone have any ideas as to what else this might be?
sometimes it sounds like they are 'stuck'in a mid inhale. like they are so congested that they can't get air. it really bothers me. they have such tiny little lungs.(they're 10 weeks) they also have almost no immune system,because they were separated from the mother (not by me) too soon.
way too soon.
They arrived with umbilical cords.
I'm calling the vet ,again.
No. should i? how long does it take Zithro to Kick in?
oh thats right , make the worried girl ,trying to fix things, feel even worse about herself. thanx a lot ,elvo. i'll be sure to add you to my contact list. not.
missareilly replied: "Well it is not uncommon for animals and people to share colds and sicknesses. I know that Zithromax is used to clear up pneumonia and bronchitis so it probably is some sort of respiratory infection in the kitties as well. If you are hearing mucous and seeing it that is a good sign because it means that it is getting out of their lungs. But keep them warm because that will help the yucky stuff to drip out and if it continues to worsen go back to the vet."
Wallflower replied: "you have a cold. not getting them sick. they have a URI - upper respiratory infection. if you really wanna get rid of it, ask your vet if you can put them on fluids. that will help flush the infection out. most likely their lungs are clear, you're just hearing the bubbles in their noses, lol. it's a slow process clearing up this kind of infection though it doesn't really hurt them unless it gets so bad that their eyes are gummy and they lose weight."
Happy LittleTrees replied: "Most likely you all are suffering URI's..
It could be mold, yes.
I have not heard of poison ivy going respiratory so you might want to ask a vet about that.
It could also be local pollution. Where are you? Here in California they were spraying some areas up near San Francisco without people knowing..something about brown moths..and people and pets were getting bad respiratory problems.."
stulisa42 replied: "One of the several things you listed could cause this reaction in animals and people. Not very many actual colds/infections will pass from human to cat to dog. It is probably something in the environment. Ask your vet about giving something for allergies, and try taking a dose of Benadryl for yourself. If it improves with allergy meds, then you can be sure it is something in (or that was in before) the house. The sound you hear in the kittens is coming from the nasal passages, so the lungs would be clear even though you hear rattling sounds. It can turn into a more serious problem involving the lungs, if you can't get the drainage stopped."
Elva replied: "Mold could be causing all of you to have respiratory problems. For crying outloud, why would you knowingly expose your cats to poison ivy. Do you deserve to have animals? Take you cats to a vet. You owe it to them, since you have exposed them. Go to a vet that is familiar with cats. Call another vet and be sure you are giving your cats appropriate medicine. You can kill them with many medicines that are meant for humans, or other animals."
Connie S replied: "there are actually very few zoonotic diseases out there - zoonotic means things that effect both animal and human. and URI really isn't.
Allergies - mold - maybe.. or it could be a huge co-incidence. Youn kittens are very very susceptible to getting URIs, and it probably has nothing to do with what you have.
Zithromax is a great medication for URI in kittens.
If you could "hear the fluid in their lungs" when the vet examined them, then I'm going to suggest you are hearing them rasp when they breathe because of the congestion in their nose, not because their lungs are full. If this is a new development, I would recommend you bring them back to the vet for more treatment.. cause once it truly is in their lungs they are in SERIOUS trouble.
You can try hot steam.. bringing them into the bathroom. Running a humdifier to help lessen the congestion. Saline drops help flush out congestion too - just be aware they are going to start sneezing snot everywhere. For the worst cases I use pediatric nose drops. one drop per kitten per day.
There are decongestants out there, but I'm leary to suggest them to someone who is not used to dealing with kittens. Call your vet for their recommendations.
You can also look into L-lysine. This is an amino acid which interferes with replication of the herpesvirus, thereby keeping the virus in check which is often responsible for URI in kitties."
Infected Cat Scratch..? I have a blister on the side of my palm it has like 3 spots in it that are full of puss and it is very sore now I had it for awhile I think my cat like dug his nail into the side of my palm he didn't really scratch my palm more like he dug his nail in one little spot.. well I had to go to the emergency room because I've been having really bad fevers I got a cat scan and the doctor said it was a kidney infection.. I showed him the blister and he said it was a splinter.. Is this anything to worry about? Does anyone know how to treat something like this?
Ok I went to the ER and they did a culture on it and gave me an antibiotic zithromax they said they won't know for sure if it is the bacteria the cats have but they will know like in 2 days but they said zithromax will kill the cat infection is that good do I need a shot or anything else?
aspca volunteer replied: "from what youve explained to me thats classical cat scratch fever,get a second opinion.i cant make any judgements here but antibiotics are the only proven thing to take for this ailment. i hope you feel better soon."
77 replied: "A very good treatment TEA TREE oil. Cures 99% ALL infections in three-five days. Also simple ICE on it works VERY well, but you have to keep it on the wound not less than for two hours in row"
I have a 4 months old cat she fell in felv and cannot stand anymore is there a way to save her life and what? best thing i can give her , do not tell me vet as no cat vet in our country i already gave her a little dose of zithromax. yesterday she was eating and active but today looks as if she will die within hours some one advised me to give her sugar with water is that helpful ? i need urgent reply tks
Tia replied: "Don't make her suffer......I'm sorry but, if she is in pain......let her go......"
rspcahorror replied: "can try glucose with water but doesnt sound good she must be able to swallow for you to do this
if she cannot swallow put some honey on her tongue to absorb through the oral mucosa
there must be a vet who will see her and that would be the best thingthe glucose wont actually make her better it will increase her blood sugar short term so she will feel a bit better but will only be matter of time before she goes downhill again if she is that poorly"
Klowe replied: "I'm not sure if this thing is the best for you, but my cat fell of our deck, we loved her very much and didn't want to let go of her like the vet said (at least I loved her she was 17 and getting on my dad's nerves) so we made her a really comfortable bed, gave her lots of milk, and she healed herself over the month. Also if you know anything that makes her purr do it. Cats have a gland or something in their purr that either is the self healing or has self healing properties, pet her and give her lots of love. Good Luck."
Clayton N replied: "i agree with the last person"
sheri replied: "I am sorry you have to go through this ,i have been through this heres a link that may help "
Can you get a sore throat from cat hair? Infection not allergy? I have severe sore throat. Started out with bad headache and very runny nose, low grade fever. Went to doc and tested neg for strep and neg for flu. She gave me zithromax just in case and sent the strep for a culture. Have been taking Zithromax for three days, using Magic Mouthwash to numb the pain, chloraseptic, gargling with saltwater, using honey and menthol cough drops, and my throat still hurts - bad! The only thing I can think of is that I sat holding my friend's cat on my chest for a long time the day before this all started. The cat was really gnarly and I felt like I had a wad of cat hair in my throat when I left. I am not allergic to cats but starting to wonder if the cat hair had some kind of bacteria that I am now infected with? Feels like the worst sore throat I have ever had. If anyone has any idea what this could be please help! thanks
vbenjamin92 replied: "Sorry no help here except there could be something in the cats hair that that irritated you. Hope you feel better soon though."
Need any help for my cat! Has 3rd eyelid and upper respiratory symptoms which reappear every 2 weeks!? I have a 10 yr old male cat. Has always been indoors and shares the house with 3 other cats. November of 08 started to show symptoms of upper respiratory infection- mucusy nose, phlegm in mouth,losing weight due to poor eating,breathing loudly. I have been bringing him to 2 different vets. Tested negative for cat scratch fever,feline leukemia,aids, all bloodwork came back negative. The only thing which would seem to help was a steroid shot-20mg and zithromax. However after 10 days symptoms would start to come back again. He was even tested for throat polyps and possible tumors by xray. Alot of money out the door and nothing accomplished. Meanwhile here it is April 09 and he is getting worse. His 3rd eye has recently shown up and the 1st time it showed the steroid shot made it go away. However now it is back 2 weeks later and he had another steroid shot and it is still bad. The doctor thinks maybe he may have a tumor hidden in his skull or nasal area which doesnt appear in xrays....I cant afford an MRI for my cat since it is about $800 and will probably show nothing just like everything else has. Has anyone encountered something like this or does anyone have any ideas which might help besides going to the vet since I do go to the vet on an expensive regular basis(biweekly). I was thinking of trying L-lysine daily for my cat since I have it but am not sure of what the reaction would be with the steroid injection. I also read that saline solution might help the 3rd eye....I just dont want to make him any worse....He is a sweetheart and I'm trying everything I can to help him.
liisard9 replied: "My cat got sick like that once, except she was only 1 at the time. She showed signs of an upper respiratory infection, she had a severe reaction to a 'spot on' flea & worm treatment (skin & fur burnt off, she is left with scars) and she had an unexplained fever. She was in and out of the vets for a month and then 6 months later she was in and out again for another month. Although it was expensive, I found ways to find the extra money.
She was tested for everything, just like your cat and was clear. They came to the conclusion that she has a very weak immune system inherited from either a sick mother (we got her from a shelter) or a mother that wasn't vaccinated. Fortunately, she hasn't been sick since.
You will just have to find the money somehow, or you could be putting his life on the line. I know how frustrating it is to put out so much money and getting no answer, but there will eventually be an answer. You also have to remember that your cat is old, and is probably just going to keep getting sicker."
Ken S replied: "L-lysene can't hurt anything, I don't believe it can t interact with the steroids and may help a lot with a URI
250MG 2x a day is what I would give and to all of your cats as URI's can be very contagious
Best of luck"
What is wrong with my cat? We came back from vacation two weeks ago, and our kitty had a swollen right-eye. At first we thought he got in a fight w/ one of the other household cats; we assumed he was okay because he was still acting like himself (purring, "kneading the bread," playful, etc). At about a week into it, his right eye got more swollen and seemed partially closed; furthermore, we could see the third eyelid was exposed. We took him into the vet at that point, and was given Clavamox antibiotic and Neomycin & Polymyxin B Sulfates & Bacitracin Zinc Opthalmic Ointment for his eye. We used it for about a week, but saw no progress; furthermore, his appetite seemed to have diminished.
At this point, we took him to another vet; this vet saw some additional symptoms, such as a protruding brow above the right eye and some kind of growth in the kitty's mouth. The second vet said it was likely one of the following (in this order): [1] lymphocytic plasmacytic legion, [2] Squamous Cell Carcinoma, [3] Bartonella infection, or [4] herpes. He prescribed some Zithromax in lieu of the Clavomax we were using. This vet said we should use the new prescriptions for about another week and if things don't seem to get better, we should come in and have the cat sedated for biopsy of the mouth growth and to have an eye specialist look at the enlarged brow.
We've been using this new prescription for three days, but now my cat's behavior is changing. He seems to walk aimlessly around the house in circles, like he's not sure where he is anymore. He's not eating on his own unless we ground up some chicken and put it right in his face. He's not reacting to our petting (e.g. purring or raising his back end when we scratch his lower back). Not playful, and can't even seem to sit in his normal "hen" position (his front legs tucked under his body). His body weight has gone down dramatically--from 14 pounds in 2006 to 12.1 pounds when we went to vet #1 two weeks ago, to 11.2 pounds with vet #2.
Does anyone out there have any ideas or suggestions?
I forgot to mention that he's been hiding away and sleeping in unusual (for him) location (e.g. the closet, under one of our futons, behind the hamper, etc.
Rachel replied: "i really would consider going to the vet if there is something wrong with your cat you should seriously consider that the internet bloggers can't dignose the problem if vets can't maybe try a new well know vet and dont take the same diognostics if YOU know they dont work"
Elderly neuterd tom experiencing difficulty...? I need to pick the collective brain: my vet and I are out of ideas and Maxie is quickly running out of time.
Max is an 11-13 year old shelter rescue who has been the boss of my household for over 10 years now. His housemate died of old age almost three years ago, and last summer we brought in a kitten to keep him company. The kitten was too active for my elderly Max, so Pumpkin moved out to live in the barn with Booboo, CeeCee, and Tommie. About a year ago, Max began throwing up (not furballs) ocassionaly and pulling out his fur/scratching. We took him to the vet and received a clean bill of health--xray showed organs all the right size/location, no obstructions. No cancer. No fleas, nothing that would cause a contact-derm reaction. Nothing new in the house as far as carpet/paint/furniture/fabric/soap/litter/food. Doc started Max on monthly shots for alergies and we went on. Last month Max began to lose weight--went from 22 lbs down to 12. A LOT of weight. Vomiting becomes more frequent, with bouts of crying. Doc says Max may have developed alergies to his food, so we have switched to food without grains, fish, milk, or eggs. We bought a Cat Genie in case it was the litter. Doc put him on Zithromax and Amoxicillin in case it was an infection the tests weren't picking up on. No change. It has been 5 weeks--vomiting is about 10-15 minutes after he tries to eat. Diareah is about the same--10-15 minutes. He is drinking water constantly. Cries in pain upon elimination, in distress about vomititng. Stopped using litter box--just going whereever he is now. Still losing weight, still loosing fur (pulling it out). Eyes clear, activity level high, wanting petted/held all the time now (he didn't want it before). The holding/petting is new--he always enjoyed being close, but not ON people. I am very afraid that he may have picked up FLV or FHIV or something--although the only contact he has with the barn cats is by sight through the full-view front door and when CeeCee sneaks in behind my husband (rarely). I am scared that it is getting close to his time--and pray someone out in the collective mind may have a suggestion we have yet to try, whether to buy a little more time to say "goodbye" or to help my darling boy. Please--if you have a suggestion, an idea, or have been through somethime similar--please let me know.With thanks, Deaun
We live in a very rural area of Arkansas. Max does not go outside or get outside even accidentally--he doesn't seem to have the desire to be on the other side of the door. The vet did check him for diabetes, something we are familiar with in our household (I have it, we know the symptoms). Maybe "tearing" was the wrong word for what he is doing to his fur--he is actually licking it out, pulling it out in little tufts. Underneath his neck is bare, his belly is bare, and he licks at his feet constantly. No fleas--that was my first thought too. Doc has not run the FeLv and FIV tests. I will be taking Max in the morning. We have one vet in a 50 mile radius, and he is open m, t, th, and f, with no emergency calls taken. We had thought about senility, as Becky (his 21 year old housemate) had done this before she died. He is inconsistant with it. I'm going to the store as soon as I finish this--to buy pumpkin and metamucil. Thank you all for your help. Vet tomorrow. Deaun
I apologize if I seem to have left out necessary details--there is so much. Panels are all fine, is why vet thought it might be a food allergy. He did not run tests for specific allergens however. Did not even suggest doing so. Remember, we are way out in the back of beyond, and many tests would be sent to the University through necessity. This vet has cared for our cats/dogs since we moved into the area over a decade ago, but again, there are things he hasn't even suggested trying. We are in north central Arkansas. Any suggestions on WHAT, specifically I should ask him to test for (told you I needed to pick your brain!)? Keep hoping that each test will narrow the field down a little more--until we know what the problem is. Max is resting now, hasn't thrown up in about 3 hours.
brutusmom replied: "Since it seems that you've been taking him to a vet regularly, I'm wondering why you didn't mention having a glucose test run. Did you just forget to mention that? With the frequent urination, the weight loss, etc, he COULD have diabetes! This is what my cat did, before we had a complete blood "panel" done on him. He's now on insulin, twice a day ( since 8-06 ) and is doing great.
Have you had the FeLv and FIV tests run on him? I'm surprised that the vet "has no idea" what could be wrong.....If he's tearing his fur out, he may be in pain IN THAT AREA.......
Your cat COULD just be getting old....11=60, 13=68....so he could be getting senile.....and "forgetting" where his litter box is. Have you tried putting extra litter boxes out........one in each room? It sounds like he's reverting to "kitten-hood", where he needs to GET THERE QUICKLY, and just isn't making it.
With the constant wanting to be held, he may be "telling you" that his "time" is getting close, and he wants to be with you as much and as often as he can.........WHILE he can.....
I'm sorry it this doesn't help, but sometimes there's nothing more we can do. I lost a 14 yr old Bluepoint Siamese this past week, with an inoperable tumor on her chest.........so I know how SAD you must be.
I hope something that I said "rings a bell", and he has something treatable, that no one has "picked up" on, yet. GOOD LUCK......I'LL BE PRAYING FOR YOU........"
cassity d replied: "well, fist of all your cat is old and being a rescue who knows what he has seen in his life. much of what you are describing is do to his age however not all of it, the pulling the fur out may be a symptom of stress after loosing his friend, and it is possible that the other cat was helping him stay healthy and was giving his body a reason to fight against the symptoms of old age. as far as being very lovey towards you, that is easily do to how he is feeling, whether you attribute it to his physical pain and discomfort or to grief from loosing his friendship wants to be near you because you make him feel better.
it is also possible (if you believe in this kind of thing) that he is letting you know that he loves you. that he that you have given him a good life and he wants to spend what time he has left with you. and that when his time comes that you need not ever worry if you did the right thing for him because he knows that everything you did was out of love.
while I know that last bit is questionable to some people I went threw something similar and at the end that is what it seemed like to me. while what I have to say isnt medical it is from experience and I hope that he gets better. you also might want to get a second opinion from another vet because even the best vets make mistakes sometimes. I hope he gets better and I wish you the best of luck."
Veronica Alicia replied: "I guess that kidney probs have been eliminated? The thirst suggests that. Diabetes?
Does Max go out at all? A friend's cat developed an allergy to grass mites.
He isn't that old a cat (the record goes to a 36 year old) and most of mine have lived past 18."
Suzy Cutes replied: "So much of what you are describing sounds like kidney issues, either disease or failure. However, when a cat is ill, has been vomiting and has had diarrhea, it can be hard to determine what the issue might actually be, and not absorbing nutrients could make any condition worse or diagnosis more difficult.
Growing up, there was a local woman who did "vet" work for our animals (rural, vets few and far between). Her advice for anything was, "handle the colitis first." I have found that to be the soundest advice in my many years of many cat ownership. So, in that vein, I suggest a little Maalox or Pepto Bismol to see if that will help vomiting. Then, add Metamucil to everything Max eats. If Max will eat Pumpkin (no spices), give him some of that a little watered down with Metamucil. Max may be at the point now that his stomach and diaphragm go on auto-vomit when food comes in, so anything you can do to retrain and settle the stomach will be a benefit. The pumpkin fiber (a great non-grain fiber) and Metamucil (not a grain) will help bulk up the feces and slow down the frequency, which will help the colon feel better and heal. Add some kitty vitamins to make sure as many vitamins and minerals are being absorbed as possible. The fiber and the Metamucil will also help sloppy poop issues that are a result of the meds he has received, and anything that will help slow the fecal movement out of the system means he will absorb more nutrients, ergo more calories. And, little Max will feel so much better if he doesn't have the urge to leave smelly wet puddles several times a day. I've been handling my 18-year old cat's colitis and anemia (pancreas degeneration) with Metamucil for more than 8 months now...I was a hairs breadth from having him put down. The vet is astonished with his improvement, as he didn't expect Rusty to make it through the summer. Rusty has gained 7 ounces, which to me, is huge, after losing 11 pounds over a 12 month period. I started the Metamucil and pumpkin regimen so that I, like you, could have just a little more time to say my goodbyes. I am now looking forward to celebrating Rusty's 18th in birthday in a few weeks.
Best of luck, and keep us posted, okay?"
hudsongray replied: "It won't be FIV, those aren't the signs.
You don't mention any blood tests, a full blood panel on older cats is generally given at least once a year, that would show any organ abnormalities and blood problems. It may be kidney function or thyroid function. But you need the blood test done to rule those out.
Has he been up to date on distemper shots? That's another possibility."
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